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Offline Kieren

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« on: December 08, 2000, 03:00:00 PM »
Hand recounts of all counties using the Gore standard?

Anyone wanna guess how long before this gets overturned in Federal Supreme Court?

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2000, 03:03:00 PM »
Well, they better start counting their tulips off. The 12th is just around the corner. I'm just in disbelief. How can any court decide that hand-counting selected Democratic counties should decide that vote of an entire state? The Dems have been preaching for weeks that they want "Every vote counted." In reality, they only want every vote for Gore counted. This whole process has become ugly and OJ-esque.

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2000, 03:06:00 PM »
I have said since 24 hours after the election, somehow, someway, Gore was going to get into office, whether he lost or not.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2000, 03:17:00 PM »
Muahaha  

Don't kid yerself. Bush has had every opportnuity, for the last 3-4 weeks, to have the counties HE'D like to have a recount in. He hasn't done so. Why? It's a poker game... really.

He is the leader in votes... and instead of jeopardizing that lead, he has fought against any and all recounts, in an attempt to ensure that he maintains that lead. Had he asked for a recount in the states *he* would prefer, he'd undermine his own argument. It would also have been very risky (who knows how that would have played out).

Gore couldn't ask for a recount in the entire State as it would have made the election contest a legal nightmare - trying to prove wrongdoing for every county in Florida? Nah, that's not his obligation. That's Bush's if Bush so cjose.  Gore just picked the counties where he had a stronger and potentially more benefitial case.

Each side chose his strategy, and  "fair" aint really a part of this game, as we've seen. If I were Bush, I'dve done exactly what he did. Likewise for Gore.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2000, 03:25:00 PM »
Weird ruling by the Florida Supremes. Seems like they are just begging for a backhand from the US Supremes. It's an open can of worms...

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2000, 03:30:00 PM »
The joke might end up being on the Dems after all. I just had a chance to read the ruling. There will be a hand recount of undervotes in ALL counties of Floriduh.

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2000, 03:33:00 PM »
me thinks the legislature will now act.....................

what a bunch of crap!

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2000, 03:53:00 PM »
Is that right? *ALL* undervotes in the entire state? Haleluya! You mean we might actually find out who more people actually voted for? This to me is the best possible way to have it, despite the legal wranglings, and despite the outcome.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2000, 03:56:00 PM »
If you're going to start worrying about undervotes in Florida, what about undervotes around the whole damn country?

I don't care if the race is close or not....it's the principle.  What makes one undervote any more worthwhile than another undervote?

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2000, 04:04:00 PM »
Don't tell me yer all gonna start saying that even a recount in the entire state is now too slective for ya.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2000, 04:37:00 PM »
Well, I still think it's crap, but at least it isn't biased towards Democratic counties. The standards they use to count votes are somewhat questionable. Statistically, counting undervotes SHOULDN'T affect the overall proportion of votes for each candidate. You would think that the number of undervotes for each candidate would split along the same percentages as the votes that were counted. [blatant stereotyping] But it seems that there are a greater number of Democrats who are either too weak to punch a piece of cardboard, or not bright enough to figure out what hole to punch [/blatant stereotyping].  

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2000, 05:21:00 PM »
This is so diddlying stupid.  There is margin for error in EVERYTHING, ask any statistician.  The undervote in Florida was by far not the highest in the country.  If the Democrats are SO interested in what is fair, then in EVERY state where the election was even close, these undervotes should be visually counted.  To not do so, is making the undervotes in Florida count more than the rest of the nation.  WTF!?!?

And this impression BS, what a crock.  How hard is it to punch out a little piece of paper?  I realize that punced out pieces could still cling on, and I agree that the voter intent in this case is so obvious a blind person would see it.  But a mark or impression - I think not.  Since there is no set standard for judging these impressions, how in the hell is anybody supposed to make ANY sense of this.

I think dark clouds are looming on the horizon, and if what Rip mentioned about electors is true, the next 2 weeks could be some pretty intesting TV.  Can you imagine, all of a sudden 3 electors who everyone thought were voting Bush all of a sudden said "Gore" when the time comes?  LOL! - I'm sure a riot would ensue.  Worth some laughs, at the very least, those Japanese/Korean Senate brawls always have me rolling in the ailse.  

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2000, 06:21:00 PM »
 
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Muahaha  

Don't kid yerself. Bush has had every opportnuity, for the last 3-4 weeks, to have the counties HE'D like to have a recount in. He hasn't done so. Why? It's a poker game... really.

Think about it, would you ask for a recount if you were ahead?  


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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2000, 07:12:00 PM »
Nash I might have been able to say the FSC was being fair by having re-re-re-re-counts if they had set a fair standard but this crap they handed down today is total BS.

Plus they are saying that the hand full of votes in Miami-Dade county that were done MUST count. They don't seem to care about the rest of the county just those that were counted already. Fair right?

Since they think that only their opinion matters I wished the FSC would have just stated who the winner was before the election so we didn't have to go thru all of this BS.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2000, 07:26:00 PM »
Are there any statisticians out there? I'd like to see a mathmatical take on this. Taking the whole state into account, shouldn't the percentage of undervotes going to each candidate be proportional to the percentage of counted votes each got? Am I missing something here?

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